Is a vegan diet safe for infants and children?
– A vegan Facebook group has encouraged the reporting of a registered dietician to her licensing body because of a comment she made about a vegan diet for children: “it’s not safe and kids have died.”
– The American and British dietetic organisations assert that a vegan diet is safe for all life stages: children; infants; toddlers; pregnant and breastfeeding women. The German and Swiss Nutrition organisations disagree.
– The American Academy for Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) effectively admits that a vegan diet is not safe by listing the nutrients that need to be taken as fortification and supplements. If a vegan diet were safe per se, it would provide all nutrients required for life and health.
– The Vegan Society also lists the nutrients that must be added to a vegan diet. The words “to make it safe” are missing, but that is the inescapable conclusion.
– The nutrients most at risk are: Vitamin A (retinol); B12; Vitamin C; Vitamin D (D3 the animal form); calcium; iodine, iron, omega-3 essential fats (in the right form) and protein.
– There are numerous cases of infants being breastfed by vegans and/or on a vegan diet being seriously harmed or even killed by malnutrition.
This week’s note is based on a true story. When I was at the BMJ/SwissRe conference in Zurich in June 2018 I met a dietician called Diana Rodgers (Ref 1). Diana lives on a working organic farm, raising vegetables and pasture-based meats, west of Boston, US, and she describes herself as a real food practitioner. She is also an author, film maker, international speaker and a board member of the organizations “Animal Welfare Approved” and the “Savory Institute”. She hosts The Sustainable Dish Podcast and I appeared on her podcast after meeting her in Zurich (Ref 2). I declare an interest therefore, that Diana is my kind of person. Having said this, it has been noticed that I have said things with which people I admire would not agree (e.g. I don’t rave about olive oil or worry about nitrates in bacon). Hence I will follow the evidence and if I disagree with Diana (or anyone else I admire) on something, I won’t hesitate to say so.
Diana posted a comment on Facebook as follows: “I don’t care if an adult wants to be vegan. I do care if they make their kids eat this way because it’s not safe and kids have died.”
A screenshot of her comment was taken by the head of a vegan activist Facebook page, with over 8,000 members, with a link on how to report her to the state licensing board. This is a serious process to be subjected to and one that could result in the loss of Diana’s license to practise as a dietitian/nutritionist (Ref 3).
The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) position
In 2012, the American Dietetic Association changed its name to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) (how arrogant is “the Academy”?!) (Ref 4). You might think that Diana’s own professional body would be on her side vs. a vegan group trying to cause her harm. However, this is not the case. The AND position is as follows: “The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and American Academy of Pediatrics agree: Well-planned vegetarian and vegan eating patterns are healthy for infants and toddlers” (Ref 5).
The AND position dates back to when it was the American Dietetic Association. A position statement was published in 2009 (Ref 6). There is some ambiguity. The position statement on the first page of the paper reports: “It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.” The first sentence includes “vegan”; the second sentence doesn’t. However, P1269 of the PDF of the paper reports: “Well-planned vegan, lacto-vegetarian, and lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy and lactation.”
The British Dietetic Association position is remarkably similar (Ref 7). In an August 2017 statement the BDA reported that: “a balanced vegan diet can be enjoyed by children and adults, including during pregnancy and breastfeeding, if the nutritional intake is well-planned.” (Enjoyed is an interesting word – is it safe or not?)
The German Nutrition Society (DGE) firmly rejects the positions taken by the UK and the US. Their position is: “With a pure plant-based diet, it is difficult or impossible to attain an adequate supply of some nutrients. The DGE does not recommend a vegan diet for pregnant women, lactating women, infants, children or adolescents” (Ref 8) (my emphasis). The Swiss also disagree with the AND and BDA positions. Their 2018 report states: “Children and pregnant women are advised against adopting a vegan diet” (Ref 9).
The AND position statement on their website (Ref 5) follows up the “well-planned” caveat with a list of nutrients that must be paid “close attention to.” These include: B12; Vitamin D; calcium; Iron and protein. The advice next to every one of these nutrients contains the words “supplement” and/or “fortified foods.” i.e. babies and toddlers consuming a vegan diet must take artificial nutrients, either alone or added to foods.
Immediately Diana is right. By definition, any diet that requires supplementation is deficient in nutrients. A vegan diet is not safe per se. A vegan diet requires things to be added, to make it safe. Arguably, therefore, Diana and the AND (and the BDA) are having a heated agreement that a vegan diet per se is not safe.
The Vegan Society position
The Vegan Society agrees that a vegan diet alone cannot meet nutritional requirements (by listing what is missing from, and thus must be supplemented to, a vegan diet at different life stages):
The advice for pregnant and breastfeeding women is (Ref 10):
– “Eat plenty of foods rich in iron [a number are listed]… and fortified breakfast cereal.”
– “Eat plenty of calcium-rich foods, such as calcium-fortified foods and calcium-set tofu.”
– “Ensure a reliable daily intake of vitamin B12 from fortified foods or a supplement.”
– “Ensure a reliable iodine intake by using a supplement.”
– “Whilst trying for a baby and during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, take a daily folic acid supplement.” (Please note that this is standard advice for any woman, not just a vegan).
– “Take a daily supplement containing vitamin D.”
– “Consider microalgae omega-3 fat supplementation.”
“Fortified, fortified, fortified, supplement, supplement, supplement, supplement, supplement…” Even a baby being breastfed by a vegan mum, requires indirect fortification and supplementation.
The Vegan Society advice for infants is similar (Ref 11):
– For infants less than six months old, breastfeeding is rightly advised as the best option. “If breastfeeding is not an option, infant formula is recommended.” The advice notes that soy-based infant formula can be fed to vegan infants, but the advice cautions that such formula contains vitamin D3 from sheep’s wool. “The definition of veganism recognises that it is not always possible or practicable to avoid the use of animals.”
Diana is right again therefore. The Vegan Society has confirmed not only that a vegan diet is deficient, but that there isn’t a vegan formula, because D3 comes from an animal source. This was confirmed in my own research to try to find a vegan infant formula in the US. A January 2018 post, written by “a vegan mama”, Alex Jones, stated that “there are NO vegan formulas available in the United States” (Ref 12). Alex said that the closest thing to a vegan formula was soy formula. Explaining to her readers why there was no 100% plant based formula in the US, Alex said: “There are some federal regulations, that baby formulas must abide by. In order for formula to be sold, companies are required by law to add Vitamin D3.” Thank goodness!
This was confirmed by other vegan sites. An undated post on urbanvegan.net reported: “Rules and regulations by the FDA and other governing bodies make it impossible to find a truly vegan mass-produced formula for babies” (Ref 13). An August 2018 post reported that vegan infant formula is available in Europe and can be shipped to North America, “the most popular and soy-free option being Premiriz infant formula, which is organic, rice based and lactose free” (Ref 14). (Please see the Vegan Society caution on rice milk below).
I tweeted the US Academy for Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) @eatright as follows (Ref 15).
I received the following reply, to which I replied back. I have heard nothing since.
Diana has also emailed AND to ask how a vegan diet can be safe for infants when genuine vegan formula cannot even be obtained in the US?
Alas, given Nestlé’s history in infant formula, Nestlé has plans to provide a vegan infant formula, which is to be based on potato protein microparticles (Ref 16). In the document to file a patent for the product, Nestlé wrote that “soy and rice compositions are not ideal for infants due to the allergen concerns of soy and the amino acid profile of rice-based products.” The current AND recommendation, however, says “Use iron-fortified formula (soy for vegans) if breast-feeding is decreased or stopped.”
Another issue with giving soy to babies and children is the oestrogen impact. Soy contains phytoestrogens – plant-based oestrogens – which act like oestrogen within the body. A study published in 2018 examined 410 infants born in the Philadelphia area (Ref 17). It compared signs of oestrogen impact on infants i) breastfed, ii) cow-milk formula fed or iii) soy formula fed. It concluded that the infants fed soy formula demonstrated tissue and organ development consistent with response to oestrogen exposure.
The Vegan Society advice from first foods
The Vegan Society PDF continues with advice for the introduction of first foods (not before the age of four months, they clarify). Smooth or mashed food is advised to be mixed with fortified soy milk from the age of six months or older. Rice milk is advised against for any children under five “due to traces of arsenic”. Nice!
Daily supplements of vitamins A, C and D are advised for the ages between six months and five years old. The PDF says that breastfeeding until the child is at least two years old will give them enough calcium. If the mum doesn’t have enough, then baby will take from her bones (Ref 18). If not breastfeeding for that long, then we’re back to soy products fortified with calcium. Mothers of vegan babies also need to “include foods fortified with vitamin B12 in your child’s daily diet.” Iodine supplementation is also needed, but a caution is added that you need to get it just right because too much is serious, as is too little.
Finally, omega-3 fats are listed. The body needs omega-3 fats in the forms DHA (DocosaHexaenoic Acid) and EPA (EicosaPentaenoic Acid). Plant foods (especially flaxseeds) provide ALA (Alpha-Linolenic Acid), which the body can convert, but extremely inefficiently. As is the case with so many nutrients (retinol, D3, K2, heme iron, zinc), animal foods provide the form that the body wants, plant foods don’t. The Vegan Society PDF states: “DHA is not found in plant foods. DHA from microalgae can be provided to vegan infants through supplementation.” Worryingly they add “However, we require research into the health benefits of supplementation for vegans.” i.e. they don’t know if this is healthy; they probably don’t know if it’s safe.
The advice to supplement calcium, vitamins A, B12, C and D, with iodine and omega-3 fats continues as the child gets older (the amounts needed increase too). At the age of one, advice to supplement iron is added.
Thanks go to Frédéric Leroy (@fleroy1974 on twitter – well worth a follow) for his help with the research in this section…
Diana is right that a vegan diet is not safe per se. An interesting discovery, while researching for this note, was that a vegan formula diet is not currently lawful in the US. That more than supports Diana’s position.
The second part to Diana’s comment was “kids have died.” Tragically she is right on that too:
– In 2001, a British couple were spared a jail sentence following the death of their nine month old girl, who was fed a raw vegan diet. The Old Bailey Judge ruled that the parents had suffered enough for their loss (Ref 19).
– In 2006, an academic paper was published, which reported on US parents who were facing trial for aggravated manslaughter. Their five and a half month infant had died and four older children were all malnourished from being fed a raw food vegan diet (Ref 20).
– In 2007, a vegan couple in Atlanta were sentenced to life in prison for the death (in 2004) of their malnourished six week old baby boy, who had been fed soy milk and apple juice (Ref 21).
– In 2011, a French vegan couple were tried (Ref 22) and convicted (Ref 23) of causing their 11 month old daughter’s death due to a vegan diet.
– In 2017, a Belgian court gave a suspended sentence to the parents of a seven month old infant who died from malnutrition on a plant-based diet (Ref 24).
There have been a number of near misses. In July 2016, an Italian baby raised on a vegan diet was hospitalised for severe malnutrition and taken away from his parents (Ref 25). The 14 month old boy weighed slightly more than a 3 month old. In December 2018, an Australian couple admitted causing their one year old daughter harm. The girl had rickets, a degenerative bone disease caused by malnourishment, as a result of her vegan diet (Ref 26). She and her two older brothers were put into care. In February 2019, a vegan Florida couple were charged with neglect with great harm after almost starving their five month old son to death (Ref 27).
There have also been a number of cases published in academic journals about the harm suffered by infants of breastfeeding vegan mothers. There are some older cases in the references (Ref 28). Here are some from the past 10 years:
– In 2009, a Danish article reported about severe vitamin B12 deficiency in 2 infants (a 10 month old girl and a 12 month old boy) breastfed by vegans (Ref 29).
– In 2009, a French article reported the consequences suffered by a 10 month old boy who was exclusively breast-fed by his vegan mother (Ref 30). The case report documented: a failure to thrive; megaloblastic anemia; and delayed psychomotor development. He had vitamin B12 deficiency with hematocytopenia and pervasive developmental disorders, as well as vitamin K and vitamin D deficiencies. His mother had the same deficiencies.
– In 2012, a case report was published about severe vitamin B12 deficiency in an exclusively breast-fed five month old Italian infant born to a vegan mother who was taking multivitamin supplementation during pregnancy (Ref 31).
– In 2014, a case report was published about a 12 month old daughter, of a long term vegetarian woman. The child had neurological and hematological impairment due to vitamin B12 deficiency (Ref 32).
– In 2018, a case report was published about a 23 month old with iodine deficiency hypothyroidism, induced by a vegan diet. This particular harm was due to the diet directly, not indirectly via breastfeeding (Ref 33).
The fact that there have been ‘only’ a few deaths is probably a credit to the medical system. Infants have likely been caught at the stage of harm, rather than death. A Polish academic paper noted the AND position “that appropriately planned vegan, lacto-vegetarian and lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets ensure a normal course of pregnancy and lactation.” The paper expressed the counter-argument: “However, in practice the balancing of such a diet can pose certain difficulties, especially for individuals without the necessary experience or knowledge about nutrition” (Ref 34). Indeed.
Do the American and British Dietetic Association’s really have conclusive evidence that a vegan diet is safe for pregnant and lactating women, infants, children and adolescents?
The twist in the story
The top recommended product on the vegan site mentioned above, urbanvegan.net, was Enfamil, ProSobee. The ingredients are: CORN SYRUP SOLIDS (54%), VEGETABLE OIL (26%) (PALM OLEIN, COCONUT, SOY, AND HIGH OLEIC SUNFLOWER OILS), SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE (14%), AND LESS THAN 2%: CALCIUM PHOSPHATE, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, SODIUM CITRATE, CALCIUM CARBONATE, MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE, MAGNESIUM PHOSPHATE, POTASSIUM CITRATE, FERROUS SULFATE, ZINC SULFATE, CUPRIC SULFATE, POTASSIUM IODIDE, SODIUM SELENITE, MORTIERELLA ALPINA OIL, CRYPTHECODINIUM COHNII OIL, L-METHIONINE, CHOLINE CHLORIDE, ASCORBIC ACID, NIACINAMIDE, CALCIUM PANTOTHENATE, VITAMIN D3, RIBOFLAVIN, THIAMIN HYDROCHLORIDE, VITAMIN B6 HYDROCHLORIDE, FOLIC ACID, VITAMIN K1, BIOTIN, VITAMIN B12, INOSITOL, TAURINE, VITAMIN E ACETATE, L-CARNITINE, VITAMIN A PALMITATE (Ref 35).
With this product, 80% of the vegan infant’s diet would be corn syrup and vegetable oil. What kind of parent could do that to their child? Any child?!
There’s a sinister twist to this true story. The sponsors of the American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics include the infant formula manufacturers Abbott Nutrition and BENEO-Institute (Ref 36). The sponsors of the British Dietetic Association include the infant formula manufacturers Abbott Nutrition, Danone Dairies, Mead Johnson, Nutricia and “Vitaflo” (which is Nestlé) (Ref 37). I don’t blame profit-orientated companies from recruiting dietetic associations as ‘merchandisers’, but I have nothing but contempt for the dietetic organisations that embrace this. In my opinion, the AND and BDA should be investigated, not Diana.
Ref 1: https://sustainabledish.com/about-diana/
Ref 2: https://sustainabledish.com/podcasts/sustainable-dish-episode-76-nutrient-density-red-meat-politics-with-dr-zoe-harcombe/
Ref 3: https://www.mass.gov/lists/statutes-and-regulations-dietitians-and-nutritionists
Ref 4: https://www.eatrightpro.org/leadership/academy-policies/strategic-plan/why-the-academy-changed-its-name
Ref 5: https://www.eatright.org/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-special-diets/feeding-vegetarian-and-vegan-infants-and-toddlers
Ref 6: https://jandonline.org/article/S0002-8223(09)00700-7/fulltext
Ref 7: https://www.bda.uk.com/news/view?id=179
Ref 8: https://www.ernaehrungs-umschau.de/fileadmin/Ernaehrungs-Umschau/pdfs/pdf_2016/04_16/EU04_2016_Special_DGE_eng_final.pdf
Ref 9: 2018 Vegan diets: review of nutritional benefits and risks. Expert report of the Federal Commission for Nutrition. (https://www.eek.admin.ch/eek/de/home/suche.html#vegan%20diet) Top document
Ref 10: https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/life-stages/pregnancy-and-breastfeeding
Ref 11: https://www.vegansociety.com/sites/default/files/Under-fives.pdf
Ref 12: https://raisevegan.com/is-vegan-formula-available-in-the-usa/
Ref 13: https://urbanvegan.net/baby-formula/
Ref 14: https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/vegan-baby-formula-what-you-need-to-know
Ref 15: https://twitter.com/zoeharcombe/status/1099007250759331841
Ref 16: https://www.livekindly.co/nestle-vegan-baby-formula-infants-milk-allergies/
Ref 17: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29506126
Ref 18: https://www.bones.nih.gov/health-info/bone/bone-health/pregnancy
Ref 19: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/sep/15/taniabranigan
Ref 20: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16412249
Ref 21: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18574603/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/vegan-couple-sentenced-life-over-babys-death/#.XHASiOj7RnI
Ref 22: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-death-baby-breast-milk
Ref 23: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/01/joel-sergine-le-moaligou-convicted
Ref 24: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40274493
Ref 25: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/11/italian-baby-fed-vegan-diet-hospitalized-for-malnutrition/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3e29f47753eb
Ref 26: https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/24/couple-fed-infant-daughter-vegan-diet-restricted-gave-rickets-8280699/
Ref 27: https://www.wftv.com/news/local/titusville-parents-accused-of-child-neglect-after-allegedly-starving-baby-police-say/920399137 and https://nypost.com/2019/02/15/vegan-couple-nearly-starved-5-month-old-to-death/
Ref 28: 2005 France: Macrocytic anemia secondary to vitamin B12 deficiency, with cerebral atrophy in 9.5 month old girl exclusively breastfed by vegan mother. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16208206)
2005 Italy: Coma and respiratory failure in a child with severe vitamin B12 deficiency. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15982440)
2005 The Netherlands: Severe nutritional vitamin deficiency in a breast-fed infant of a vegan mother. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15645284)
2007 Germany: Maternal vitamin B12 deficiency: cause for neurological symptoms in infancy. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17729202)
Ref 29: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19852900
Ref 30: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748244
Ref 31: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22726312
Ref 32: http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/25697251
Ref 33: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29303778
Ref 34: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27137830
Ref 35: https://www.enfamil.com/products/prosobee/12-9-oz-powder-can
Ref 36: https://www.eatrightpro.org/about-us/advertising-and-sponsorship/meet-our-sponsors
Ref 37: https://www.bda.uk.com/about/workwithus/currentcorpmembers
24 thoughts on “Is a vegan diet safe for infants and children?”
Update on the unfortunate Oz vegan infant case:
Meanwhile in the Land of Oz: seems we needed a reminder about the tragedy of a vegan diet for children:
(A child that is a picky eater is likely to be zinc deficient.)
It might be possible to make a vegan diet safe for infants but a sensible omnivorous diet is so much simpler:
Meanwhile, the experts get upset when a child is thriving on a diet deficient in legumes, grains and dairy:
Thank you for this article.
I would like to know what is your opinion regarding why vegan diets lack vitamin C? Those folks seem to have enough fruits and vegetables.
And despite all this Vegans and in particular Pescetarians live longer than meat eaters, confusing isn’t it.
Vegans do NOT live longer than omnivores (what you erroneously refer to as “meat eaters”). Please note also that Pescatarians are NOT an “in particular” type of vegan. The pescatrian diet is a subset of the omnivorous diet. So, no, there is no confusion involved, other than vegans repeating the myth that they live longer than humans that include animal products in their diets.
Thanks you for this brilliant analysis. Cheers!
But veganism allows violence against people.
No, I would never condone violence against people anymore than violence against animals! I choose not to eat meat and dairy for ethical reasons but I have no interest in what others eat and wouldn’t judge them if I did. It seems we’re all being lumped in with the small group of vegans who think violence is justified. I’m constantly vilified by meat eaters but why? What’s it to them what I choose to eat?
I have mixed feelings about Facebook and its effect on society. It’s amazing how horrible people can be when they don’t have to face others. And Facebook seems to bring out the narcissism in people. It’s refreshing to read good logic rather than emotion, thank you!
But we seem to have no concern or equal consequences for parents that feed their children nothing but junk food, processed meats, no fruit or vegetables. These kids are overweight yet malnourished. They grow up with no ability to fend for themselves and spend their life sick from deprivation of good nutrition and excess consumption of junk resulting in heart disease, diabetes, chronic kidney disease, cancer and much more. There are millions of examples of this (look at the rates of obesity in the US and other developed countries https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/, https://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Obesity-Update-2017.pdf). But yes let’s nit pick a handful of cases where dead beat parents were not providing adequately for their children’s nutrition needs in the name of being vegan. This is not the norm of individuals who follow a plant based lifestyle, so please stop making it seem like it is.
Sounds like classic “whataboutism”. So what if there’s are people who are feeding junk food to their kids? How does that even concern the points presented here that incorrectly-done vegan diet _can_ be dangerous? So is your point being that because there are children eating junk food, thus it’s ok to put children at risk with a poorly-planned plant-based diet?
In reality, Rebekah is pointing out “meat eaters” and “plant eaters” contain many individuals. Some of both group will have bad diets.
In other words, the solution to deficient vegan diets is not to eat animals, because plenty of animal eaters are deficient.
More proof that plant-based diets include industrial plants
That soy paper, ref 17, is scary enough – but even more scary is the thought that, after weaning, everyone in the population is potentially exposed to similar levels of soy isoflavones.
In rats, at these doses, the normal social openness of females is reversed and they exhibit the much more anxious male behaviour. Male behaviour is feminised too, but to a lesser extent – the hormonal process of brain differentiation in females – ironically it’s testosterone-driven – is more vulnerable to isoflavone than in males. So we have a generation of socially anxious young women being shamed into eating more and more of this trash, with who knows what long-term consequences. Nice one, PETA.
Um , yeah, most of the meat eaters I see (*including* myself) are severely lacking in some form of dietary nutrition, as well. Its obvious why it’s more common in vegans. Because, as opposed to what someone else said about veganism being a ‘religion’, meat eating is the true ‘religion’. Our society is built around it. It’s no wonder then that we lack more nutrition from vegan dietary supplements than animal ones. Thanks.
Rhys Southan’s series on how the American Dietetic Association (now AND) position papers on vegan and vegetarian diets came about is an eye-opener. The total lack of oversight from AND of a team of primarily vegan and Seventh-day Adventist vegan activists is incredible:
The Germans and the Swiss have it right. Vegan diets are dangerous for infants and children. Any diet that REQUIRES supplementation to get it right is DANGEROUS.
Attacking Diana Rodgers for telling the truth about the dangers of veganism for infants and children is vegan fascism. We must all resist vegan fascism in all its forms from EAT-Lancet and all of its allies. The future of children worldwide is at stake here. We MUST take a stand or watch human health and intelligence devolve to a state of degeneracy.
“a balanced vegan diet can be enjoyed by children and adults”
I question their use of the word “enjoyed”.
I have several vegan friends and acquaintances. Now, admittedly it’s a small sample and mostly anecdata, but none of them are particularly accomplished cooks. They seem to exist mostly on bread, pasta, pizza, tofu, soy milk and cheese, and fruit/fruit juice. I probably eat more (and more variety of) vegetables than they do. They also seem to regard the act of eating as almost on a par with refueling a car — a mildly unpleasant necessity.
On the other hand, most of my omnivore friends are pretty decent cooks all round and several of them specialise in subsets (recreating medieval recipes, BBQ, desserts, et al.) and are really good at their specialty. What’s more — they enjoy both cooking and eating, especially when sharing food they’ve made with friends.
Guess which group I prefer to hang out with?
It’s correct a vegan diet isn’t necessarily healthy, but a true healthy diet is a whole plant based diet .No rubbish , sweets cakes etc , just a good nourishing diet of plants eg spinach , mushrooms eggplant carrots pumpkin etc and in season fruits , bananas , oranges , pineapple , Plant based milks etc Such good meals , stirfries,
Risotto,curries etc etc , yum it’s the best. and good fibre and good for you .
The crazy thing is back in the 80’s our health worker said it was dangerous me putting our children on raw cows milk at nine months old (they probably still think the same now) yet they thrived, as did I , my parents and grandparents. These same people now think it is OK for them to have a vegan substitute that will be full of things I can’t pronounce and artificially fortified due to to it’s nutrient deficiency. I know that as a species we never evolved to drink the milk of another species but in most people it is well tolerated and in my mind a lot healthier than some of these fake alternatives.
Once again, I am reminded why I will continue to subscribe to support you in your work, Zoe. I wonder if your subscriptions could be provided to universities (students), particularly pre-med. I live near Loma Linda, CA and would love to know your articles were read by the students at LLMU. Not all of them remain brainwashed—Ted Naiman, for example—but access to your deep-dive research would assure additional debate where otherwise little or none would be heard.
Thanks Paul! I’ve promised to put everything on open view if I win the lottery!
This is so sad and so shocking. Veganism has much in common with religion – (apparent) non-violence and the sacredness of all life, hope for saving the world – and perhaps for some people it defines the meaning of their life and blinds them to the effect it has had on their children’s health. I came up with a concept I called the satnav effect a few years ago, which is that when you turn on your satnav you must never turn off your brain (google Death by Satnav for some chilling stories). Never give a person, device or concept more power over your own life than you give your own judgement. Thank you for your ice-cold logic and needle-sharp scrutiny of the current madness.
Have you seen Belinda Fettke’s writing about the influence of Seventh Day Adventists in Australia?
I have indeed – in fact my hubby and I had the honour of being the first people that Gary and Belinda shared their research with!
Best wishes – Zoe
I noticed that she referenced your work on that EAT Lancet story.