18 Responses to “The men who made us fat – Episode 2”

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  1. avatar Alex Kilbey says:

    Thanks for the synopsis Zoe.

    I was particularly happy with the Yorkie moment. I remember Yorkie coming out and how it changed chocolate forever. Before Yorkie, bars of chocolate were slim and pieces were eaten like delicate morsels. The exception was if you bought the full half-pound bar of Cadbury’s Dairy Milk that was, at the time, the most monstrously-sized bar imaginable. Consider that a 200g bar is just something that you would pick off the shelf now and that 500g bars are easily available, 1Kg bars at Christmas, down from a previous 2Kg bar and even the giant 5Kg bars that were on sale before Cadbury’s got all PC about it. That was twenty times the size of what was once considered ridiculously over the top.

    Still loving this programme but not quite as good as the first episode,

    Alex

  2. avatar Zoë says:

    Hi Alex – I agree – not as good as the first one. I did have those 2 OMG moments though when Prof James and then Prof Wilkin described how the government silenced their report/research. And they have the audacity to say they’re trying to do something about obesity?!
    One more to go :-)
    Best wishes – Zoe

  3. avatar Tom Welsh says:

    ‘This agency created the “Finger of fudge” advert mentioned in Episode 1. Just enough to give your kids a treat – between meals’.

    Quite early in life, I developed the habit of thinking up “counter-jingles” to resist the brainwashing effect of advertising on myself and others. In this case I came up with,

    “A finger of fudge is just enough/ To rot your children’s teeth”.

    I found that quite effective in killing any desire to buy one.

  4. avatar Zoë says:

    Love it Tom! ;-)

  5. avatar Kiihne says:

    Thanks for the great overview. Video is so slow, it’s nice to read a good quick summary. Very interesting stuff, and nice to see how popcorn portion size led the revolution and the marketing developments that continually push ‘value’. One thing is that ‘two-for-one’ packages in the supermarket are not just for junk food. I regularly find them on cheese, occasionally on butter and even eggs. For meat and fish, the offers are usually a bit different: any 2 for £5, but the effect is the same. Of all the choices, one will usually be a loss leader, so if you get 2 of that, you save, while the others will actually have you paying more over last week’s price. When it’s and 3 for £10, the cart and start filling up with stuff I hadn’t meant to buy. The savings are usually meaningless, but the psychology is undeniable.

  6. avatar Pauline says:

    This documentary illuminated:

    Governments are cowardly; we cannot expect food manufacturers to act in the interest of the health of the nation – they are in business to make a profit; we gravitate toward highly palatable foods and have less control of how much we will eat; children’s activity level hasn’t changed all that much in 30 years (very surprising); supermarkets promote snack foods (because they are cheap and don’t displace the eating of other foods); we can consume ever larger quantities of snack foods because they have few nutrients; it’s hard to over eat real foods; taxing can result in unintended consequences (taxing ‘fattening’ foods will increase the price of my butter); most of us are gullible and a little dumb.

    More discussion of why someone who appears ‘normal’ weight but has too much visceral fat would be useful. Surely this is evidence that food quality is more important than calories. I wish people would focus on eating nutrient dense foods.

  7. avatar Jo says:

    Hi Zoe

    Thanks for this and in particular the references at the bottom, they wil be very useful for a project that I am working on at the moment.

    Regarding Kelly Brownell, he has a whole set of free lectures from Yale University at the following link:

    http://oyc.yale.edu/psychology/psyc-123#sessions

    The audience is undergraduate but there still is a lot of useful information. It is best to watch them earlier in the morning before the US has got up as sometimes the download is slow.

    Jo

  8. avatar Jessica says:

    Frigtening how the government has no interest in stopping the obesity epdemic. I guess reducing advertising food to kids makes no difference now – every kid knows about MacDonalds and Cadburys. I don’t know how I’m going to cope if the UK introduces a fat tax – unless it were a fat tax on everything that contains sugar as well. But it sounds like the sugar corporation runs this country. I get so annoyed when they want to blame everyone else for their bad diets – yes, some of it is personal responsibility but I need to be abale to afford my diet! Why don’t they want to stop insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes? Do they actually want to kill off some of the population?
    I couldn’t help thinking about the bloke I saw on another programme who drank two litres of diet Coke a day and woke up one morning, blind. He had type 2 diabetes, and didn’t realise that asapatarme was raising his BG’s. He recovered his sight, but obviously now has type 2 diabetes to cope with. But drinking two litres of sugar filled soda? GOOD GRIEF!!!

  9. avatar Karen Evennett says:

    This was my favourite TV viewing this week – and you have summed it up perfectly (of course)! Keep it coming!

  10. Hi Zoe, had purchased your Harcombe Diet for Men book some time back and found it very informative for me.

    Zoe, a week ago I was in a store and it was selling coke bottles from when I was a kid, as a collectible.

    My step-daughter was absolutely shocked about how small they are. Her words were “THAT quenched your thirst???”

    I just told her no amount of pop actually quenches thirst, for us it was a little treat.

    And thats it isn’t it? We allowed small amounts of poison (sorry not pulling punches) into our diet and food advice calling them “little treats”. I find today the pressure is on us, the parents, to include an abundance of little treats in a child’s diet or we are “denying them” a childhood. It has gotten so bad I once posted on facebook I finally got my spousal consent to throw out all junk food in the house, and all 3 people that responded were doing so to defend the children’s right to daily garbage food.

    I think its more insiduous than “I know I shouldn’t eat this”, to becoming food is an expected source of pleasure. One of those sugary bombs is the right and proper reward when a child behaves well.

    Last week I volunteered to bring the snacks for a kids soccer game. At the start of the game, another parent pulled out about 24 freezy pops. The kids went nuts. He then started giving the kids including his own, mountains of Gatorade! These are 5 year olds doing a 4 minute game of soccer, most of it spent waiting for their turn to play.

    The other parents applauded his wisdom at keeping the kids “hydrated” with frozen sugar, and energy drinks. I had brought water but with all other kids allowed to have freezies, its very hard to tell your own “Im sorry, we have water”.

    My snack? Beautiful local calabrese sliced sausage, wonderful quality cheddar and goadas, and some fruits. I also had a few granola bars which I tossed in mostly to get them out of the house LOL. The same wise crowd made very snotty faces when they saw what I had brought for their children. I actually told one guy, well you had no objection to fillng my kid with sugar, at least I am filling yours with protein.

    So while the supersize and snackng arguements make sense, I feel we have gone beyond that. We view food as damaging and less damaging, because we eat almost totally for pleasure now. We do not want to “deny” our children by giving them milk instead of chocolate milk so most people, I think, purchase food based on what is likely less damaging instead of what is healthy.

    There has been an obvious and successful engineered culture shift to this point, its so bad that even our food guides suggest snacking (but do not make it the focus of the diet). However the same people advise eating 6 meals a day and who has time for that from scratch? 3 of those meals are snacks. And likely 4 with breakfast being primarily poured from a box.

    Keep up the great work across the pond Zoe.

    Regards

  11. avatar Zoë says:

    Thanks Karen! x

  12. avatar John Walker says:

    Enjoyed the ‘breakfast clip.’ Although is it really a British fry-up? ‘Hash-browns’ are an American addition to the ‘Full-British’. To me that means bacon, eggs, baked beans, black pudding, fried bread, and possibly potato scallops. (It varies throughout Britain.) In Scotland you have Scotch pancakes too. In Wales there are Welsh cakes, and in Stoke you get oatcakes. In some parts of the Midlands you have crepes and maple syrup. I don’t think I would take on their challenge. It’s a waste of food at the end of the day, and waste annoys me. I would probably like to treat myself to their smallest ‘large’ brekkie’. But 9 lbs of just bacon, eggs and tinned tomatoes? I might have a go at that! Three month’s supply of Full-Montys in one sitting. Lead me to it… Phew!

  13. avatar John Walker says:

    Jaques Peretti loads his kitchen table with a mountain of starchy, sugary foods, that he got ‘on discount’. He is supposed to be an intelligent man, yet he didn’t notice that ALL of those packages contain sugar and starch. Yet still he bangs on about calories and portion sizes, and includes fat as one of the ‘baddies’. So fat is till going to get blamed, and eventually meat will be more expensive because of a ‘fat’ tax, as is happening in Denmark. I don’t think we can win.

  14. avatar Carl says:

    I am really enjoying this series (and your take on it) in contrast to the recent HBO series, The Weight of the Nation, in which they essentially adopted the “food” industry’s mantra of not enough exercise and calories in, calories out. This one, in contrast, you can hear the truth if you choose to, which is rare. I was able to view the first episode on Youtube; let’s hope the second makes its way up there too, given the restrictive BBC viewing policies.

  15. avatar Zoë says:

    Hi Carl – looks like it’s gone up here! Enjoy – Zoe

  16. avatar Cosmo says:

    Great summary Zoe,
    There is so much nonsense out there to confuse people WRT nutrition especially here in the States.
    For instance, the Government, big business and your doctor/nutritionist still tell you that you HAVE to eat breakfast. I have been skipping breakfast for years now and I’m in the best shape (body & mind)of my life at 47 years old. I follow the leangains protocol and Martin Berkhan just wrote a great article about why you should skip breakfast.

    http://www.leangains.com/2012/06/why-does-breakfast-make-me-hungry.html

    what is your take on it?

    Thx.

  17. avatar Les Carey says:

    Part 3 is on next Thursday, 12th July. The BBC took it off for Wimbledon – Idiots!

  18. avatar Travis Koger says:

    I really disliked this episode, so much so that I haven’t bothered with the third.

    In this episode Peretti’s message changed from it being about sugar, to now include fat as being bad. In the first episode he would use the phrase fattening foods. In this episode, that changed to sugary and fatty foods. His message appeared to be clear in the first episode and in this one it started to create confusion.

    Very disappointed in something that I thought was finally going to get the *correct* message out.

    As for a fat or sugar ‘tax’, ridiculous. It will not prevent people from getting obese, just like it doesn’t stop people from buy cigarettes, alcohol… or petrol.

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