8 Responses to “Men’s Health and Eat this, Not that – bad science at its worst!”

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  1. avatar Craig says:

    Zoe its very refreshing to hear all this coming from a nutritionist well done I especially like what you wrote in your last paragraph it just makes perfect sense. We need more people in the nutrition field like yourself instead of self proclaimed diet experts telling us its all about the calories because our bodies are a complicated chemical factory and quality of food is what matters, fat accumulation is in large part controlled by hormones.

    Thanks for exposing this nutritional B.S.

  2. avatar Hala says:

    This is so refreshing to see yoy write that … All in one place….
    By trail and errors and my own research…over last 20+ years… what you present here – my body practice…
    I am one of those peaople – who “gains weight by looking at grains and other starchy carbs”.
    Even most fruits… (I can eat some..in moderation).

    H

  3. avatar Alyson Lash says:

    “Wow, great blog post.Thanks Again. Continue writing.”

  4. avatar Laurel says:

    “oven chips, confectionery, Quavers, Discos, Mr Kipling rubbish, Magnums, Vienettas”

    We Americans would love a translation dictionary here! (I assume these are junk foods of some kind.)

    Thanks so much, I have been arguing this in blogs and letter forums online, to very little effect, as the ignorance and bigotry out there is so extreme….this seems obvious to ME from the basic science I learned in high school, yet is paraded around (in the US and apparently the UK and elsewhere as well) as ABSOLUTE TRUTH — one pound equals 3500 calories — and the advice that if you simply don’t eat a single cookie or EVEN a single piece of sugarless gum (10 calories!), then you will automatically LOSE “x” number of pounds that year….

    This idiocy leads to people going on drastic calorie-restrictive diets, and failing time after time, as this CLEARLY does not work in real world situations.

    Also: the guy who writes the “Eat this not that” series (David Zinchenko) is on US television literally all the time, spouting absolute rubbish, and telling people to eat MORE junk and fast food, implying one sort of candy or cookie or processed junk is “better” as it has less overall calories, and then comparing something (say, a pasta meal) with a platter HEAPED with bacon or doughnuts, and saying the two things are equivalent….it’s a stunt, but has lead to many innocent folks making even WORSE food decisions, and thinking a diet of even MORE processed carb-loaded junk is OK “because I saw it on TV this morning, so it must be true!”

  5. avatar Tom Welsh says:

    ‘“oven chips, confectionery, Quavers, Discos, Mr Kipling rubbish, Magnums, Vienettas”

    We Americans would love a translation dictionary here! (I assume these are junk foods of some kind.)’

    Your assumption is correct, Laurel!

    In Britain, “[potato] chips” are what you call fries; over chips are thick-cut fries that are reheated in the oven rather than being fried, and thus supposedly healthier (because they have less horrid fat!)

    Confectionery is candy in general.

    Quavers and Discos I’m not entirely sure about myself (thank goodness), but I think they are pseudo-chips (in the American sense of “chip”).

    Mr Kipling is a famous brand of factory-made cakes and small tarts/sweet pies of various kinds – heavy on sugar, processed wheat flour, nasty artificial fats, etc. But very compulsive for those who have been raise don them, sadly.

    A Magnum is a brand of choc-ice (chocolate-coated ice cream on a stick).

    Vienetta is an ice-cream and chocolate dessert with a flaky consistency, and presumably brimming with corn syrup and nasty fats.

  6. avatar Loren Grant says:

    excellent post and to the point. Just wondered if you have asked the (US) National Heart Lung and Blood Institute whose guidelines for weight loss say: “A diet that is individually planned to help create a deficit of 500 to 1,000 kcal/day should be an integral part of any program aimed at achieving a weight loss of 1 to 2 lb/week. Evidence Category A.” Like you I have tried to find out what evidence this is based on – it says Evidence Category A! but I can’t find anything on the site. Maybe you have had better luck??

  7. avatar Neil says:

    hi Zoe
    do you have any reference for your assertion
    ”The body has to be in the biochemical state that it can break down body fat and this won’t happen if glucose is available in the bloodstream, or stored as glycogen, to use for fuel instead.”

    I thought it widely acknowledged that fat and glycogen/glucose were both used at the same time, just in different proportions relative to exercise intensity. i.e at low intensity most energy comes from fat, high intensity most energy comes from glycogen

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_exercise#Aerobic_versus_anaerobic_exercise

    “As glycogen levels in the muscle begin to fall, glucose is released into the bloodstream by the liver, and fat metabolism is increased so that it can fuel the aerobic pathways. Aerobic exercise may be fueled by glycogen reserves, fat reserves, or a combination of both, depending on the intensity. Prolonged moderate-level aerobic exercise at 65% VO2 max (the heart rate of 150 bpm for a 30-year-old human) results in the maximum absolute contribution of fat to the total energy expenditure. At this level, fat may contribute 40% to 60% of total, depending on the duration of the exercise. Vigorous exercise above 75% VO2max (160 bpm) primarily burns glycogen. [4][5]“

  8. avatar Zoë says:

    Hi Neil – Many thanks for this – it’s an interesting debate, but not relevant to the world I live in – more below!

    Even during 65% V02 max exercise, the body doesn’t have to break down body fat. It will use the glucose and fat it has available in the bloodstream before breaking down triglyceride – body fat.

    The normal range of blood glucose is surprisingly low – 0.8 to 1.1 grams of glucose per litre of blood. An average person with an average of 5 litres of blood has 4-5.5 grams of glucose in their blood stream. With glucose approximating to 4 calories per gram, this equates to about 16-22 calories of glucose – a teaspoon of sugar. The amount of fat in the blood stream “free fatty acids” varies far more widely. Even if the body is in the state that it takes similarly from glucose and fat – glucose will run out first.

    Re. glycogen – athletes who are good at carb loading should be able to store approximately 100 grams of glycogen in the liver and 250-400 grams in the muscles. (The glycogen in the muscles can only be used by the muscles, but the glycogen in the liver can be converted back into glucose for the bloodstream). Hence, after the few grams of glucose in the blood stream are used up, the glycogen reserves can be tapped into. As this glycogen is being depleted, the body can still take fat from free fatty acids and intramuscular fat – again without breaking down body fat.

    I think that it will be the depletion of glucose/glycogen that is the trigger for the body to release glucagon to break down triglyceride (glucagon has already been working to break down glycogen), rather than a depletion in fat available. If you know of any studies to the contrary (not wiki!) please let me know. Hence the sentence you picked out likely still applies to this unusual situation.

    ”The body has to be in the biochemical state that it can break down body fat and this won’t happen if glucose is available in the bloodstream, or stored as glycogen, to use for fuel instead” is key to the world in which I work – trying to help obese and overweight people to lose weight. They are trying to lose 20-200lbs of body fat – getting the body into the biochemical state where it has to break down body fat (in the absence of glucose) is critical. V02 max is more relevant to the athletic world.

    Best wishes – Zoe

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