Comments on: The Minnesota Starvation Experiment http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2009/12/the-minnesota-starvation-experiment/#utm_source=feed&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed Author, obesity researcher . Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:32:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Fatty http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2009/12/the-minnesota-starvation-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-2575 Fatty Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:05:10 +0000 http://www.zoeharcombe.com/?p=397#comment-2575 Yet the volunteeres when followed up said they'd do it again http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2376744/?tool=pmcentrez and most returned to their pre study weight within a year or so, supporting the set point theory. Before rejecting the 3500Kcal/lb "myth" maybe a look at Kevin D. Hall What is the Required Energy Deficit per unit Weight Loss? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2376744/?tool=pmcentrez would help. That and Key's own findings that BMT`R slowed considerably so the defecit induced wasn't the consumption at control period minus consumption during starvation. Key's study showed evidence for the "startvation mode" that is that the body adapts to restriction, but this was only applicable in the subject group, fit healthy Lean men between 20 and 35. LCD ad VLCD studies in obese individuals show that this responce is lessened in individuals with a high percentage bofy fat at study start. Set point and leptin resistance studies support the idea that the body tries to reach equalibrium, with a 10% margine of error initally but settling back within a year. It also indicates around a 3 year period to re-set, but most diet study follow ups are poor and drop outs tend to be the re-gainers so the evidence is weak. Still it is a great bit of evidence, but I'm not sure you can show that your theory is fully supported by it. Low carb studies tend to be LCD/VLCD type within obese individuals and these don't show the same issues around starvation. Yet the volunteeres when followed up said they’d do it again http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2376744/?tool=pmcentrez and most returned to their pre study weight within a year or so, supporting the set point theory.

Before rejecting the 3500Kcal/lb “myth” maybe a look at Kevin D. Hall What is the Required Energy Deficit per unit Weight Loss? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2376744/?tool=pmcentrez would help. That and Key’s own findings that BMT`R slowed considerably so the defecit induced wasn’t the consumption at control period minus consumption during starvation.

Key’s study showed evidence for the “startvation mode” that is that the body adapts to restriction, but this was only applicable in the subject group, fit healthy Lean men between 20 and 35. LCD ad VLCD studies in obese individuals show that this responce is lessened in individuals with a high percentage bofy fat at study start.

Set point and leptin resistance studies support the idea that the body tries to reach equalibrium, with a 10% margine of error initally but settling back within a year. It also indicates around a 3 year period to re-set, but most diet study follow ups are poor and drop outs tend to be the re-gainers so the evidence is weak.

Still it is a great bit of evidence, but I’m not sure you can show that your theory is fully supported by it. Low carb studies tend to be LCD/VLCD type within obese individuals and these don’t show the same issues around starvation.

]]> By: Is The Harcombe Diet OK for someone with high cholesterol? http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2009/12/the-minnesota-starvation-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-286 Is The Harcombe Diet OK for someone with high cholesterol? Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:41:44 +0000 http://www.zoeharcombe.com/?p=397#comment-286 [...] of calorie controlled diets will fail (Stunkard & Hume 1959) and given what we know from the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, The Harcombe Diet has to be good for someone with ‘high’ cholesterol (whatever that [...] [...] of calorie controlled diets will fail (Stunkard & Hume 1959) and given what we know from the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, The Harcombe Diet has to be good for someone with ‘high’ cholesterol (whatever that [...]

]]> By: Louise http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2009/12/the-minnesota-starvation-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-111 Louise Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:23:33 +0000 http://www.zoeharcombe.com/?p=397#comment-111 This is like reading my own diet story, I once did the cambridge diet for 3 week which restricts calories to about 500 a day, all i did for 3 week is think about food, i would day dream about all the foods i was going to eat when id return to normal eating. I even bought cookery magazines(id never done this previously or since) and cut out all the recipes i wanted to try, i was literaly salivating over the pictures. This diet also came to an end with an almighty binge! I have to add the cambridge diet cannot at all be good for you, i did lose 14lbs in 3 week but i literaly went saggy (not nice) but worse i was freezing , i could just not get warm and i constantly had a cold runny nose. This is like reading my own diet story, I once did the cambridge diet for 3 week which restricts calories to about 500 a day, all i did for 3 week is think about food, i would day dream about all the foods i was going to eat when id return to normal eating. I even bought cookery magazines(id never done this previously or since) and cut out all the recipes i wanted to try, i was literaly salivating over the pictures. This diet also came to an end with an almighty binge!

I have to add the cambridge diet cannot at all be good for you, i did lose 14lbs in 3 week but i literaly went saggy (not nice) but worse i was freezing , i could just not get warm and i constantly had a cold runny nose.

]]> By: hcufflin http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2009/12/the-minnesota-starvation-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-80 hcufflin Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:36:54 +0000 http://www.zoeharcombe.com/?p=397#comment-80 Wow. If only these were the sort of things our children were taught in school. Wow. If only these were the sort of things our children were taught in school.

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